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'Fishing For Answers' taken from Metro
Arts & Entertainment magazine first published June 23,
1994. Interview by Randy Shulman.
Thanks to Kent for info.
"My mother said she had a vision of a queen when she
was pregnant with me," recalls Guinevere Turner, explaining
the origins of her distinctive first name. "But the
fact is that my mother was a hippie and was on so many drugs
at the time, she was hallucinating." The anecdote is
indicative of the frankness and whimsy inherent in Turner,
writer and star of "Go Fish", a provocative, sensitive
and utterly charming film that explores the lesbian lifestyle
(it opens in area theatres July I). Recently we sat down
with Turner at the Pop Stop and engaged in an anything-goes
half hour of conversation. It was one of those memorable
interviews where one casts a line and winds up with the
most surprising of catches.
RS:
This may sound weird, but watching your film , I felt that
I understood what it´s like to be a lesbian. Was one
of your fundemental goals to make gay men come away with
a deeper appreciation of your lifestyle?
Turner: We originally made "Go Fish" for lesbians,
thinking it would only play gay and lesbian festivals. We
thought gay men wouldn´t really watch it, because,
traditionally , gay men don´t go to lesbian movies.
Besides, there aren´t that many lesbian movies to
see, anyway. But the reaction has been really surprising
because a lot of gay men have really liked it. Which makes
Rose (Troche, the director) and me very happy. But, to be
honest, gay men and lesbians aren´t necessarily coming
from the same place or going to the same place. They´re
very separate identities.
RS:There
is a certain separatism within the gay and lesbian community.
Turner:The very fact that you´re homosexual and I´m
homosexual makes us similar. But you likes guys and I like
girls. In that way we´re polar opposites. But since
neither of us are the "norm," we´re forced
together.
RS:I
frequently and unfortunately get the feeling that the gay
male community feels the lesbian community doesn´t
really like them. Do you get the same feeling? That gay
men automatically don´t like you because you´re
a woman?
Turner:The vibe I get from gay men has always been that
(lesbians are) boring, lesbians are less fun, lesbians go
home early, lesbians don´t have much of a sense of
humor, lesbians don´t have camp working for us. None
of that, of course, is true.
RS:There´s
one scene in the film that´s particularly universal,
and that´s where one of the supporting characters
comes out to her mother. It´s a scene one normally
associates with gay men. Rarely do we ever seen an onscreen
"coming out" for women.
Turner: There are lots of things that are really universal
in terms of just being (homosexual) in this world. The weird
thing about "Go Fish" is that we seem to have
presented-accidentally-a whole range of universal things.
Lots of straight people have said they identify with certain
aspects of the film, such as dating and the struggle to
find a relationship.
RS:
I enjoyed the film´s offbeat sense of style, especially
as represented in the conversations between the characters,
shot in the style of a group of "disembodied"
talking heads.
Turner: We added that after the script was nearly complete.
Rose and I had a certain amount of anxiety around the simplicity
of the story, so we thought we should play around with it.
We just started talking about how much fun it would be to
have some of the characters have access to the whole movie
as though they were watching the action and commenting on
it.
RS:
A Greek chorus, in effect.
Turner: Yes. Of course, we never called it that until we
started doing interviews. We called them "the commentaries."
RS:
There´s an interesting moment where one of the characters
has slept with a man and is subsequently put on trial by
a jury of her peers. It raises an interesting question:
If a lesbian sleeps with a man, does she lose her sexual
status?
Turner: That scene deals with the policing that goes on.
We included it because we both felt that, at times, the
lesbian community is too harsh on itself and too panicked
about identity definitions. Just because you sleep with
a man once - even though you´ve been calling yourself
a lesbian for five years and you´ve slept with who
knows how many women - all of sudden everyone goes, "What
the fuck are you doing?! Are you a dyke of aren´t
you?"
RS:
It gives one the feeling that to be a true lesbian, one
almost has to be anti-male.
Turner: To be a lesbian is certainly not to be anti-male.
I mean, some of my best friends are guys. They´re
just nicer than girls, I think. Girls are so catty. Anyway,
I don´t think that scene is about man hating.
RS:
I´m only addressing the issue because I´ve encountered
a few who seem to automatically hate me because of my gender.
Turner: Well, they certainly exist. But I think it´s
a remarkably dangerous attitude, because be too emphatic
about hating men is to imply that you´re a lesbian
because you hate men and not because you love women. And
to be a lesbian because you hate men is ridiculous. You´re
giving men power by choosing your sexuality based on the
fact that you don´t want to deal with them.
Now that I´m a public lesbian, I feel like some people
are waiting for (me) to put on the lesbian show. It´s
been fun because the... straight press that I´ve dealt
with seem to be intimidated by me. No one´s ever been
intimidated by me before. They´re like, "Oh,
my God! We´re talking to a lesbian! Maybe she hates
men! And here I am this straight man interviewing her!"
I have a lot of fun with that.
RS:
Do you plan to pursue an acting career?
Turner: I didn´t, but much to my surprise, that´s
what´s happening. I´ve already gotten offers
from two major talent agencies, ICM and William Morris.
RS:
I could see Hollywood transforming you into a glamorous
actress. Do you feel that would be a sell-out?
Turner: There is no "out" lesbian actress. Period.
Can you think of one? There isn´t. I´m so far
out there´s no getting back in. So, to me, no matter
what kind of doll Hollywood would want to turn me into,
the fact that I´m a lesbian will always be known.
RS:
What I´m trying to address is straight society´s
stereotypical image of lesbians, which is the "butch"
look. You´re very much the antithesis of that.
Turner: It´s been very interesting to see, as a result
of this movie, who is being pursued as an actress. Me. And
only me. I´m being made into the star and I feel like
it´s because I have this crossover look. As happy
as I am that I may have an acting career out of all of this,
it´s upsetting to me to see exactly how the system
works.
RS:
What happens if you get offered the female lead in the next
James Cameron film playing opposite Arnold Schwarzenegger...
Turner: Oh, how scary...
RS:
Would you turn down the role?
Turner: If I really want to be an actress, it´s only
to make money. I´m a writer. Being an actress... sounds
fun and glamorous, but it´s not where my heart is.
Also, if I waited around for a lesbian part, I would have
no career.
But I would not want to be known as a lesbian actress. I
would want to be known as a good actress, and then, if anyone
asked if I were a lesbian, I´d say yes.
Actually, I´ve enjoyed the whole experience so far.
I´ve enjoyed saying the word lesbian to people, and
watching people who can´t say the word. Lesbian, for
some reason, is a really hard one to get out of people´s
mouths. I don´t think I´ve ever heard my mom
say lesbian. Gay is much easier for people.
RS:
Because gay is so quick. Wouldn´t it be better if
the whole gay and lesbian movement just folded under one
word? Queer, perhaps?
Turner: Queer´s a good word because it represents
(the whole spectrum). It goes into transgender and bisexual.
And it´s more fun in a broader sense. But queer doesn´t
represent the gay Republican, for instance. He´s not
queer. He´s just gay. He´s a homosexual. Frankly,
I´ve coined a (slang) term for lesbian: I think if
gay men get to be fags, lesbians should be "fun."
RS:
Fun? So you´re fun.
Turner: Hi, mom, I´m fun.
RS:
Well, that´s nice dear. I´m fun, too. Now, let´s
go take your bath. Speaking of words, I love the scene where
the Greek chorus is talking about the various terms for
vagina. Honey pot, bearded clam and so on...
Turner: Someone just said to me the other day, why didn´t
you use the word pussy? And I was like, "I dunno. It
just didn´t roll. It didn´t go in."
RS:
So what do you call a vagina?
Turner: It depends on the person I´m with. With different
girlfriends, you call it different things. But hardly any
women I know have a word that they´re really comfortable
with. And vagina is just not a good word.
RS:
Well, penis is no great shakes, either.
Turner: But dick, I think, is good. But there isn´t
a female equivalent for dick.
RS:
Let´s say you become a Hollywood actress, how do you
feel about the possibility of teenage boys fantasizing over
you?
Turner: (Laughs.) Um, I don´t know. That would be
weird. Actually, since I´m naked on the screen in
a movie that´s about to be released in 40 cities,
I think I´ve pretty much given up my image already
and people are reacting to it in ways that I can´t
imagine. So it doesn´t really even bother me, it´s
out of my control.
RS:
Well then, how do you feel about prospect of young lesbians
fantasizing over you?
Turner: That´s great. I think young lesbians should
have more objects on the big screen to fantasize about that
are real, that they know are lesbians, (and) that act like
lesbians. The notion of a young lesbian seeing this movie
and finding it sexy and being into it, and it giving her
strength, well... that, to me, is wonderful.
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